First Age Cards: Characters

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First Age Cards: Characters

Post by Padster » Wed Jan 12, 2011 9:25 am

Sorry, but as I write this I can see it turning into a long post.  Anyone managing to get through it and giving constructive feedback, I will buy a pint if ever I meet you.

I developed a number of First Age cards (the basis of which would be to play one of the three Kings of the Eldar: Ingwe, Finwe or Elwe) a few years ago (Characters, Allys, Events, Hazards, Items, etc), after an analysis of the Third Age cards we have available to us.  I'd like to run the Characters I developed by you all to see what you think, but first I'd like to take about the Third Age characters to set the scene.

The key variable, as far as I can tell, for Third Age characters is MIND.  You'll all say "Well! Duh!" to yourselves, of course.  I know it is obvious.  But MIND discriminates between characters, much more than, say, Marshalling Points.  This is what the Third Age Hero Characters look like:

RANGES

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Mind  DI       Prowess  Body     Classes
====  ==       =======  ====     =======
10    4 - 4    7 - 7    9 - 9    3 - 3
9     2 - 3    6 - 7    8 - 9    3 - 3
8     2 - 4    5 - 8    8 - 9    2 - 3
7     2 - 3    5 - 7    8 - 9    2 - 2
6     1 - 3    4 - 6    6 - 9    2 - 2
5     0 - 2    2 - 6    7 - 9    2 - 2
4     0 - 2    2 - 6    6 - 8    1 - 2
3     0 - 1    2 - 4    6 - 8    1 - 2
2     0 - 1    1 - 4    6 - 8    1 - 2
1     0 - 1    0 - 3    5 - 7    1 - 2
AVERAGES

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Mind  DI       Prowess  Body     Classes
====  ==       =======  ====     =======
10    4.00     7.00     9.00     3.00
9     2.67     6.67     8.33     3.00
8     2.67     6.33     8.33     2.67
7     2.50     6.00     8.50     2.00
6     2.00     5.00     8.00     2.00
5     1.38     4.13     8.13     2.00
4     1.00     4.43     7.00     1.71
3     0.43     3.00     7.29     1.86
2     0.08     2.92     7.33     1.50
1     0.13     2.00     6.25     1.25
So being a bit of a Tolkien buff (aren't we all?), I wanted to see what First Age characters might look like with a view (in my vanity) to try and develop a First Age pack of cards and came up with the following tables as a guide:

RANGES

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Mind  DI       Prowess  Body     Classes
====  ==       =======  ====     =======
12    4 - 6    7 - 12   9 - 10   4 - 4
11    4 - 5    6 - 10   9 - 10   3 - 4
10    4 - 4    6 - 8    9 - 9    3 - 4
9     2 - 4    6 - 8    8 - 9    2 - 4
8     2 - 4    6 - 8    8 - 9    2 - 3
7     2 - 3    4 - 7    8 - 9    2 - 3
6     1 - 3    4 - 6    6 - 9    2 - 3
5     1 - 2    2 - 6    7 - 9    2 - 3
4     0 - 2    3 - 5    7 - 8    2 - 2
3     0 - 1    3 - 4    6 - 9    1 - 2
2     0 - 1    2 - 4    6 - 8    1 - 2
1     0 - 1    2 - 2    7 - 8    1 - 2
AVERAGES

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Mind  DI       Prowess  Body     Classes
====  ==       =======  ====     =======
12    5.00     9.29     9.71     4.00
11    4.50     7.92     9.33     3.50
10    4.00     7.00     9.00     3.25
9     3.33     6.67     8.67     3.00
8     2.86     6.57     8.43     2.71
7     2.60     6.00     8.40     2.40
6     2.15     5.23     8.15     2.23
5     1.31     4.62     7.92     2.08
4     1.07     4.00     7.43     2.00
3     0.45     3.45     7.36     1.91
2     0.20     2.80     7.27     1.53
1     0.14     2.00     7.14     1.29
As a result of classifying and scoring the following characters:

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Name                  Generation      Race       House       C/E   MP  M    DI   P    B     Classes
====                  ==========      ====       =====       ===   ==  ==   ==   ==   ==    =======
Elwe                  1st Gen Eldar   Sinda      -            0    -    -    8    9    9    4
Finwe                 1st Gen Eldar   Noldo      -            1    -    -   12    8    9    4
Ingwe                 1st Gen Eldar   Vanya      -            0    -    -    9    8    9    4
Durin                 Dwarf           Dwarf      Longbeards   0    5   12    6    9   10    4
Feanor                2nd Gen Eldar   Noldo      Finwe       -1    5   12    5   10   10    4
Finarfin              2nd Gen Eldar   Noldo      Finwe        1    5   12    5    9   10    4
Fingolfin             2nd Gen Eldar   Noldo      Finwe        0    5   12    5   12   10    4
Finrod                3rd Gen Eldar   Noldo      Finarfin     1    5   12    5    8    9    4
Ingil                 2nd Gen Eldar   Vanya      Ingwe        0    5   12    4   10   10    4
Olwe                  1st Gen Eldar   Sinda      Elwe         0    5   12    5    7    9    4
Beren II              7th Gen Edain   Edain      First        0    4   11    5    7    9    3
Dior                  3rd Gen Eldar   Peredhil   Elwe         0    4   11    5    8    9    3
Earendil              5th Gen Eldar   Peredhil   -            0    4   11    4    8    9    3
Elmo                  1st Gen Eldar   Sinda      Elwe         0    4   11    5    6    9    3
Fingon                3rd Gen Eldar   Noldo      Fingolfin    0    4   11    5   10   10    4
Hurin                 7th Gen Edain   Edain      Third        2    4   11    4    9   10    3
Inwir                 Other   Eldar   Vanya      Ingwe        0    4   11    4    8    9    4
Maedhros              3rd Gen Eldar   Noldo      Feanor       0    4   11    5    9   10    4
Maglor                3rd Gen Eldar   Noldo      Feanor       0    4   11    4    7    9    4
Tuor                  8th Gen Edain   Edain      Third        0    4   11    4    7    9    4
Turgon                3rd Gen Eldar   Noldo      Fingolfin    0    4   11    4    7    9    4
Turin                 8th Gen Edain   Edain      Third       -1    4   11    5    9   10    3
Elrond                6th Gen Eldar   Peredhil   -            0    3   10    4    7    9    3
Elros                 6th Gen Eldar   Peredhil   -            0    3   10    4    7    9    4
Gil-galad             5th Gen Eldar   Noldo      Finarfin     0    3   10    4    8    9    3
Lenwe                 Other   Eldar   Sinda      -            0    3   10    4    6    9    3
Beleg                 Other   Eldar   Sinda      Elwe         0    3    9    4    7    9    4
Hador Lorindol        5th Gen Edain   Edain      Third        0    3    9    4    6    9    3
Huor                  7th Gen Edain   Edain      Third        0    3    9    4    6    8    3
Naugladur             Dwarf           Dwarf      Firebeams    0    3    9    3    6    9    3
Thranduil             Other   Eldar   Sinda      Elwe         0    3    9    3    7    8    3
Caranthir             3rd Gen Eldar   Noldo      Feanor      -2    3    8    2    8    9    2
Celegorm              3rd Gen Eldar   Noldo      Feanor      -1    3    8    3    6    8    3
Cirdan                1st Gen Eldar   Sinda      Elwe         0    3    8    4    6    8    3
Curufin               3rd Gen Eldar   Noldo      Feanor      -1    3    8    3    6    8    3
Ecthelion             Other   Eldar   Noldo      Fingolfin    0    3    8    2    8    9    2
Galadhon              2nd Gen Eldar   Sinda      Elwe         0    3    8    3    6    9    3
Glorfindel            Other   Eldar   Noldo      Fingolfin    0    3    8    2    8    9    2
Orodreth              4th Gen Eldar   Noldo      Finarfin     0    3    8    3    6    8    3
Azaghal               Dwarf           Dwarf      Broadbeams   0    2    7    3    7    8    2
Celebrimbor           4th Gen Eldar   Noldo      Feanor       0    2    7    3    7    9    3
Galathil              3rd Gen Eldar   Sinda      Elwe         0    2    7    3    6    9    2
Galdor                6th Gen Edain   Edain      Third        0    2    7    2    6    8    2
Gwindor               Other   Eldar   Noldo      Finarfin     1    2    7    2    4    8    3
Aegnor                3rd Gen Eldar   Noldo      Finarfin     0    2    6    2    5    7    2
Angrod                3rd Gen Eldar   Noldo      Finarfin     0    2    6    2    5    7    2
Beor the Old          1st Gen Edain   Edain      First        0    2    6    3    4    6    2
Beren I               Other Edain     Edain      First        0    2    6    1    4    8    2
Boromir of Ladros     4th Gen Edain   Edain      First        0    2    6    2    5    8    2
Celeborn              3rd Gen Eldar   Sinda      Elwe         0    2    6    1    6    9    2
Daeron                Other Eldar     Sinda      Elwe         0    2    6    3    5    8    2
Denethor              Other Eldar     Sinda      Lenwe        0    2    6    2    4    8    2
Eol                   Other Eldar     Sinda      Elwe        -1    2    6    2    6    9    3
Imlach                2nd Gen Edain   Edain      Third        0    2    6    2    6    9    2
Maeglin               4th Gen Eldar   Noldo      Fingolfin   -1    2    6    3    6    9    3
Malach (Aradan)       2nd Gen Edain   Edain      Third       -1    2    6    3    6    9    2
Marach                1st Gen Edain   Edain      Third        0    2    6    2    6    9    3
Amras                 3rd Gen Eldar   Noldo      Feanor       0    2    5    1    6    8    2
Amrod                 3rd Gen Eldar   Noldo      Feanor       0    2    5    1    6    8    2
Aranwe                1st Gen Eldar   Noldo      -            0    2    5    2    4    9    2
Argon                 3rd Gen Eldar   Noldo      Fingolfin    0    2    5    1    6    8    3
Baran                 2nd Gen Edain   Edain      First        0    2    5    1    4    8    2
Bor                   Man             Man        Easterling   0    2    5    1    4    7    2
Brandir the Lame      8th Gen Edain   Edain      First        0    2    5    2    2    9    2
Haldad of Thargelion  1st Gen Edain   Edain      Second       0    2    5    2    5    8    2
Haldar                2nd Gen Edain   Edain      Second       0    2    5    1    3    7    2
Mablung               Other Eldar     Sinda      -            0    2    5    2    6    8    2
Nuin                  Other Eldar     Sinda      -            0    2    5    1    4    7    2
Telchar               Dwarf           Dwarf      Firebeams    0    2    5    1    5    8    2
Voronwe               2nd Gen Eldar   Noldo      -            0    2    5    1    5    8    2
Amlach                3rd Gen Edain   Edain      Third        0    1    4    1    4    8    2
Baragund              7th Gen Edain   Edain      First        0    1    4    2    4    8    2
Barahir               6th Gen Edain   Edain      First        0    1    4    0    3    8    2
Belegund              7th Gen Edain   Edain      First        0    1    4    1    4    7    2
Borlach               Man             Man        Easterling   0    1    4    0    4    7    2
Boron of Estolad      3rd Gen Edain   Edain      First        0    1    4    1    4    7    2
Bregolas              6th Gen Edain   Edain      First        0    1    4    1    3    7    2
Bregor                5th Gen Edain   Edain      First        0    1    4    1    3    7    2
Fangluin              Dwarf           Dwarf      Firebeams   -1    1    4    2    5    8    2
Gildor Inglorian      Other Eldar     Noldo      Finarfin     0    1    4    0    5    7    2
Gloredhel             6th Gen Edain   Edain      Third        0    1    4    2    4    7    2
Gundor                6th Gen Edain   Edain      Third        0    1    4    2    4    7    2
Hathol                4th Gen Edain   Edain      Third        0    1    4    0    4    8    2
Magor                 3rd Gen Edain   Edain      Third        0    1    4    2    5    8    2
Bodruith              Dwarf           Dwarf      Broadbeams   0    1    3    1    4    8    2
Borlad                Man             Man        Easterling   0    1    3    0    4    7    2
Borthand              Man             Man        Easterling   0    1    3    0    4    7    2
Dirhavel              Other Edain     Edain      Third        0    1    3    0    4    7    2
Gamil Zirak           Dwarf           Dwarf      Firebeams    0    1    3    1    4    7    2
Guilin                Other Eldar     Noldo      Finarfin     0    1    3    0    3    9    2
Haldan                3rd Gen Edain   Edain      Second       0    1    3    1    3    8    2
Haldir                5th Gen Edain   Edain      Second       0    1    3    0    3    8    1
Halmir                4th Gen Edain   Edain      Second       0    1    3    1    3    7    2
Handir                7th Gen Edain   Edain      Third        0    1    3    0    3    7    2
Saeros                Other Eldar     Sinda      Elwe         0    1    3    1    3    6    2
Aerandir              Other Edain     Edain      -            0    0    2    0    2    8    1
Annael                Other Eldar     Sinda      -            0    0    2    0    3    7    1
Arminas               Other Eldar     Noldo      Finarfin     0    0    2    1    2    7    1
Arthad                Other Edain     Edain      First        0    0    2    0    2    8    1
Dagnir                Other Edain     Edain      First        0    0    2    0    2    8    2
Dairuin               Other Edain     Edain      First        0    0    2    0    2    8    1
Edrahil               Other Eldar     Noldo      Finarfin     0    0    2    0    2    8    2
Erellont              Other Edain     Edain      -            0    0    2    0    3    6    1
Falathar              Other Edain     Edain      -            0    0    2    0    3    6    1
Gelmir                Other Eldar     Noldo      Finarfin     0    0    2    1    3    7    2
Gildor                Other Edain     Edain      First        0    0    2    0    4    8    2
Gorlim                Other Edain     Edain      First        0    0    2    1    4    8    2
Hathaldir             Other Edain     Edain      First        0    0    2    0    4    8    2
Radhruin              Other Edain     Edain      First        0    0    2    0    3    6    2
Ragnor                Other Edain     Edain      First        0    0    2    0    3    6    2
Dorlas                Other Edain     Edain      First        0    0    1    0    2    7    2
Lorgan                Man             Man        Easterling  -1    0    1    0    2    7    2
Uldor                 Man             Man        Easterling  -1    0    1    0    2    7    1
Ulfang                Man             Man        Easterling  -1    0    1    1    2    8    1
Ulfast                Man             Man        Easterling  -1    0    1    0    2    7    1
Ulwarth               Man             Man        Easterling  -1    0    1    0    2    7    1
Urthel                Other Edain     Edain      First        0    0    1    0    2    7    1
Anyway, I’d be really interested in what you think and whether anyone would be interested in seeing the other cards I have, and whether or not anyone would have some more ideas for cards and game play in the First Age.  I will be getting these cards knocked up and printed at some point soon, so I can at least play a First Age game.

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Post by Bandobras Took » Wed Jan 12, 2011 6:34 pm

Way back in the early days of METW, when I was thinking up dream cards for Steve Hess, I found somebody who had posted the actual formula ICE was using for character attribute balance.

As I recall, a character's mind related directly to the balance between direct influence, skills, prowess, and body.

I wish I'd written it down and saved it through decades . . . :)

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Post by Thorsten the Traveller » Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:35 pm

Geez, impressive list, where to start?

Good statistical work seems like. I do think there needn't be that many high minders. E.g. Beren, Dior, Hurin etc. should not have mind higher than Elrond imo. Of course in 1st Age Elrond was a mere infant, but I mean as 3rd Age reference, which you obviously use. I don't see any Man character ever having more than 10 mind, no matter their importance in history. They just don't live long enough to aquire the knowledge and powers. And Cirdan should not be underestimated in first age.

All in all, I would keep Feanor/Fingolfin/Finarfin at 12, Turgon/Fingon and Maedhros at 11 (perhaps Durin also, but who knows anything about him anyway?), and the rest lower than that.

Adjusting the rest of stats accordingly, you seem to have that figured. However, I find that not all stats need be applied so mathematically, if characters can also make good use of some cool ability they have. It can compensate for lower M/DI or P/B ratio.

If you include Elves that remained in Valinor, they also need something to do there of course  :wink: , or you want them diverting from the march and end up somewhere else? And on another note, who knows how high these Elves developed there in Valinor (Elmo/Olwe)? so what about their mind?

What's the GI of the 3 Lords?

There are never enough women in Middle Earth, where's Galadriel, and Idril, and Aredhel? Melian perhaps also, would be weird to have her as ally only, if you can play Elwe.

Do you use/know the MSE tool for easier card production?
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First Age

Post by Dirhaval » Sun Feb 06, 2011 3:16 am

I like the idea of First Age; its an unexplored CCG realm. I will not venture into much of active FA CCG generation, just a reader of the story :)

My opinion is to actually beef-up more of the characters. Some of these elves came from Aman! Galadriel is a 9 mind, but she is more of a homebody ;)  And the weapons too.  I would suggest having an Aiglos like weapon a major item and leave Ringil a greater item, but more powers in the hands of one of the three Eldar elves.  These are offset by several Balrogs still alive, dragons too.  And don't forget Shelob siblings north of Doriath. I can be happy if you make 8 others who live above ground. So thats 8+1+4 (in underdeeps). = 13 total.

Dirhavel              Other Edain     Edain      Third        0    1    3    0    4    7    2

Thank you!.  How about making a special ability for Dirhavel.  May tap to cancel any effect to eliminate character. (You know it is fated this fellow survived to write down the history of ME :)

What about the avatar for FA?
The seven sons of Feanor and Feanor will make 8 for "dark."


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