[UEP, discussion] <Last Child of Ungoliant and Shelob>

Ûvatha · Post by **Ûvatha** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 2:41 am

Name:

Last Child of Ungoliant and Shelob.

Status:

Discussion.

Proposal maintainer:

Nicolas Francone (Ûvatha)

Categories:

Theme (Coolness)

Errata:

Last Child of Ungoliant

Unique. Playable at Shelob's Lair. Manifestation of Shelob. Tap this ally to either: cancel one hazard creature attack against a company moving to a site in Imlad Morgul, Ithilien, or Gorgoroth or to discard one hazard permanent-event on such a company or on a character in such a company. Discard this card if her company moves to a site that is not in Imlad Morgul, Ithilien, or Gorgoroth. Return her to your hand if Shelob is played.

Problem:

I have found this to be inadecuate, since we dont have a way to return Tom Bombadil to it's owner's hand, however, some people include Shelob in their sideboard just in case you play this ally. Plus, it's a shame that such a cool ally is not played very often.

Solution:

Delete the following sentence of the card: Return her to your hand if Shelob is played.

Pros:

It would give this cool ally more playability, and finally a 3 point ally that you can keep without fear that your opponent is gonna have it returned to your hand.

Cons:

I don't see a single one.

Rationale:

This errata is not completly needed, but it would be great if minions could use this ally a lot more than now. I know that both Shelob and The Last Child of Ungoliant are not widely used cards, so it would not affect the game greatly. Plus, as some people has said before, the auto-attack at Shelob's Lair is enough deterrent to this ally.

Discussion:

Voting:

SUMMARY: YES= 5, NO= 1, TOTAL= 6, %= 83%

So far:

Sly Southerner= Yes
pferris= Yes
Jambo= Yes
Vastor Peredhil= Yes
Bandobras Took= Yes
Moria tour guide= No

Voting started at:

30/01/2006

Voting ends at:

The next UEP accepted list update.

Keep in mind that this is my first UEP so if I've done anything wrong please correct me.

Thanks

Ûvatha

Sly Southerner · Post by **Sly Southerner** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 3:06 am

Sounds good to me, so YES.  :D

One minor thing - you should edit the title to include what the UEP does.

pferris · Post by **pferris** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 2:19 am

Yes from me to

Bandobras Took · Post by **Bandobras Took** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 12:43 pm

Yes.  The auto-attack at Shelob's Lair is usually sufficient deterrent to the ally.

Moria tour guide · Post by **Moria tour guide** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 2:58 am

For an UEP I say a No.

I understand your viewpoint that the ally is cool and Tom does
not have such a problem.

I have two comments:
First, Tom goes about helping people in need; Shelob only
cares about herself; so when dinner walks through Imlad Morgul,
she is going to depart to hunt. The hinderance of the Last Child fits well
with the Book.

Second, a creature card of Tom was not produced by ICE.
I like to see a creature of Tom that has a similar, yet weaker, restriction to his ally manifestation. Maybe a hazard effect that creature-Tom cannot be played if ally-Tom moved that turn AND Tom will be returned to owner's hand, but ally can be played at any untap Border-hold in Shire/Cardolan/Arthedain later in the turn.

PS if anyone plays a game with me and would like to play Last Child,
let me know and I won't put Shelob in my deck. I like it if you don't put Mouth of Sauron in yours  :)

Sly Southerner · Post by **Sly Southerner** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 9:50 am

What about placing Last Child off to the side insted of back in hand? That way you get her back when Shelob leaves play

Post by **Vastor Peredhil** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 1:49 pm

Only if you know a way to get Shelob's Lair back (besides exhausting your play deck)

but me up for a yes for the UEP

mfg Nicolai

Ûvatha · Post by **Ûvatha** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 7:09 pm

Another thing to consider, but for a future UEP is removing the second auto attack at Shelob's Lair when Last Chils of Ungoliant is played, what do you guys think about that ??

Ûvatha

Zarathustra · Post by **Zarathustra** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 7:20 pm

But it's so funny to have the possibility of Shelob committing suicide by failing the auto-attack at her own home site....

Jambo · Post by **Jambo** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 9:59 pm

Sly Southerner wrote:What about placing Last Child off to the side insted of back in hand? That way you get her back when Shelob leaves play

Adrian, this is a really neat idea (assuming it's possible to do this within the game's mechanics)!  This means the Shelob hazard still has an impact on proceedings whilst at the same time if the resource player can deal with the hazard event, this doesn't completely nullify the Shelob ally for minions.

I'd vote yes on an UEP that worked like this.

pferris · Post by **pferris** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 10:16 pm

I like the idea of placing the ally off to the side as well - a lot more elegant

Ûvatha · Post by **Ûvatha** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 12:18 am

I like that idea, maybe i could change the UEP proposal to make it that way.
But then I have a question: Do cards placed off to the side still gives MP ??

Ûvatha

Sly Southerner · Post by **Sly Southerner** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 9:11 am

Cards always overide mechanics, so as long as you are clear you can say what you like.

Ûvatha · Post by **Ûvatha** » Sat Feb 04, 2006 4:31 pm

I just edited the UEP to reflect the proposition made by Adrian (Sly Southerner).

I like it more that way also !

Thanks for the input.

Ûvatha

Sly Southerner · Post by **Sly Southerner** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 3:25 am

I think that would be pretty cool so YES for me. I think it means a company with Last Child could still get attacked by Shelob which would also be cool.  8)

Presumably if the character contolling Last Child is no longer in play when Shelob leaves play then Last Child would be discarded?