[UEP, Failed] Blind/Ire cannot be used on Ring Tests

[Bandobras Took]

I must say, though I obviously disagree with the forthcoming results, I am pleased that so many people voted, relatively speaking.

[Thorsten the Traveller]

voted yes. Blind/Ire are sadly overpowered cards in general, I've seen at least one case where these kind of decided worlds (2003), though obviously that's a very big 'chain of events'  

All this talk about whether or not you would use Blind/Ire at all, whether or not you'd include 6 ringtests in a deck (madness), whether Saruman can still recycle (like he's the only badbeard to play rings), to me that doesn't matter, it's the principle of a card with possible devastating effects that can ruin fun/balance and make life disproportionally harder for you (because it has no counter except packing/holding extra cards). So I agree with Bandobras here.

[Bandobras Took]

Well, 50% is not enough to succeed.

Status quo maintained.

[Ringbearer]

Isnt the voting over by now?

[Vastor Peredhil]

I would prefer, that when votes drop in late, we reopen the discussion and maybe have a better/juster decision in the end.

not to many players check these pages every day or even every week, so maybe the term for voting needs to be extended.


vastor peredhil

[Bandobras Took]

A lot of those late votes were most likely people waiting to see the discussion, rather than add to it.  A voting period of month (which is what I gave) is surely sufficient for any forum member to register their opinion.

Isn't the voting over by now?

As far as I know, I set up the poll to end October 5th.  I've already updated the topic title to "failed."

[Bandobras Took]

Not to complain or anything, but I just played a Fallen Alatar game in which I got my last Wizard's Test Blinded, enough to cost me the game when otherwise I would have had a respectable shot -- there was nothing I could do about it.

[Sly Southerner]

I voted yes. Sixteen votes is an excellent vote count for a UEP so pretty clearly a lot of people thought this was too big a change. Any ideas on smaller changes that could do the same thing?

[Bandobras Took]

Actually, it turns out that this was unnecessary.  Except for Secrets of Their Forging, all Ring Tests have card play as the Active Condition of the test.  Because they are active conditions, they declare and resolve instantly.  Since Blind/Ire can only cancel events and not the effects of the events, there is no time to play them.

[Konrad Klar]

Actually, it turns out that this was unnecessary.  Except for Secrets of Their Forging, all Ring Tests have card play as the Active Condition of the test.  Because they are active conditions, they declare and resolve instantly.  Since Blind/Ire can only cancel events and not the effects of the events, there is no time to play them.

I do not understand. A card play as the Active Condition?

[Bandobras Took]

Yep.

A prerequisite for an action actively made by a player. Typically this involves tapping a character, discarding an item, or having a character of a particular skill in play. Active conditions are declared and resolved with no time for response by an opponent or yourself.

Play to test a gold ring.

The phrase "play to" do X is unique to Ring Test cards including Test of Fire from MELE.

You play the card to test the ring.  This is the only case of card play being an active condition in the entire game, but the card play declares and resolves instantly because it is an active condition.  Blind cannot cancel the event because there is no time in which to play it.

Compare One Ring's "Bearer may make a corruption check modified by -2 to cancel a strike," for example of extremely rare active condition (in this case, a corruption check as active condition).

[Konrad Klar]

Ach that...

No.
It is even funniest. I would say rather that main effect of that card is that the same card must by played. Active condition are "Sage only..." part in bold and (only in case of Ringlore and SoTF) target ring.

Like in case of Traitor (after errata): only thanks to good will of players (i.e. auto-concealing of errors) it could be ever played.

[Bandobras Took]

Nevertheless, while this wording exists, I'm going to use it.