3D MECCG Cards

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BeeBoy
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Post by BeeBoy » Wed Sep 24, 2008 2:30 pm

I finally cut up a rare this week:  Morgul Rats

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn23 ... Rats01.jpg
http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn23 ... Rats02.jpg

I don't want to cut up lots of rares - after all, there are enough great commons and uncommons to keep me busy for a couple of years.  However, I have a stack of Dragon's Hunger to do eventually, and I'm looking to get 3 more copies each of Skin-changer and Helm of Her Secrecy to do as well.

At Gencon, when I mentioned that I was trading for Skin-changers to 3D, Joe Bisz and Josh Hunholz were horrified.  They couldn't believe I would dare cut up Skin-changer!  I was surprised at their reaction - after all, it's a cool card, but it's from The Dragons and nobody ever uses it so it's not like it's ruining supply.  Eventually one of them said something that made me realize they thought I meant Beorning Skin-changers, and I joined them in being horrified at the idea.

Though the art on BSC wouldn't be hard to 3D... :twisted:

(since humor and sarcasm can be hard to catch in writing, I'll confirm here that I promise to never cut up a rare from The Balrog)

tbadiuk
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Post by tbadiuk » Wed Sep 24, 2008 5:55 pm

LOL - For a minute there I had the evil idea of doing English Fury of the Iron Crown, but then photo-shopping my Japanese Fury text as the top card.  I figured that would have been beyond cruel!  :lol:

Ted

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Post by BeeBoy » Wed Oct 01, 2008 1:37 pm

This week's card is the Lidless Eye version of Call of Home:

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn23 ... Home01.jpg
http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn23 ... Home02.jpg

I really wanted to do this card because I thought it would look extra creepy if the skin was actually hanging out in front.  I'm happy with how it turned out, but this card really highlights one of my shortcomings.  If you look at the chains holding up the skin, you'll see that the holes in the chains haven't been cut out.  I'm not skilled enough to cut things that small without ruining the area around it.  Someday...

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Post by Pikachu » Wed Oct 01, 2008 2:25 pm

Absolutely fantastic! Your best work by far in my opinion.

tbadiuk
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Post by tbadiuk » Wed Oct 01, 2008 9:35 pm

Wow, that looks great!!

For the chains, couldn't you just get a *really* fine needle and poke holes through the paper?

Ted

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Post by BeeBoy » Wed Oct 08, 2008 3:55 pm

Thanks for the compliments on the Call of Home  :)

From the difficult & complicated Call of Home to the easy & simple Men of Dorwinion.

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn23 ... nion01.jpg
http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn23 ... nion02.jpg

This card is an example of how easy 3Ding can be.  It took me less than 2 hours to finish this one, and that was with my attention divided between the card and a movie.  

The two biggest factors in how easy a card will be are:
1) How complicated is the art?  
Specifically, how much fine cutting needs to be done?  (ie, ropes in the background of Alatar, swords in Ambusher, trees & murk in Ghouls).  There's not much you can do to control this except picking easier art.

2) How much detail do you want to do?
That is, how much layering do you want to do beyond simply having the 7 main layers?  On Call of Home, I did detail work between almost every layer, sometimes multiple details per layer, and some of the detail was more complicated (having the beams of light slanted so they traveled smoothly forward from far background to near background, for instance)  On Men of Dorwinion, the only detail work I did was making the flute go back to the guy's mouth smoothly.  This one is the real time sink, but you have complete control over it.  I could easily have spent twice as long on this card if I'd decided to create depth in the characters' clothes and hair, the cup and the hand, and the leaves, but sometimes simple is nice :)

Heh, that's certainly more information than anyone needed :roll:

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Post by Dragonmaster » Wed Oct 08, 2008 6:41 pm

Hello,

I finally made one of which I'm actually (a little) proud; the Witch-king.
http://s442.photobucket.com/albums/qq14 ... 480008.jpg

And as promised, I also included my earlier creations, That Ain't No Secret and Paltry Ring. You can view all of them here: http://s442.photobucket.com/albums/qq147/Lord_Dragon/

Note to BeeBoy: Do you cut the person out and paste it on the image only once? i mean, I'm always layering the images, from the first one, the deepest background is cut out, the second card has the deepest background and second deepest background cut out, etc. I have the impression (I might be wrong) that you cut the person you want on the foreground out and only use it for your last card, while I have this person on all the cards (pasted above each other).

Thanks for your answer.

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Post by BeeBoy » Thu Oct 09, 2008 3:10 am

Very nice!!  The Witch-king looks great, and I'm very impressed by Paltry Ring too.  That Ain't No Secret is the kind of card I do more often - lots of very distinct layers between background & foreground.  The reason the other two cards stand out to me is that I haven't done any cards that require lots of detail on one fixed object.  I'll have to try that some time.

I think our methods are fairly similar.  I just made an animated .gif of the layers of my Cave-drake that shows how I do it:
http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn23 ... Layers.gif

Direct link to the finished card:
http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn23 ... rake01.jpg

When viewed from the side (like in that picture) you can see the other layers behind.  One thing I do that I can't tell if you do is to space out my layers by putting an empty frame in between each of the layers, to give more depth between the layers.  Of course, with The Witch-king and Paltry Ring you don't really want more depth between the layers since all of the layers are supposed to touch.

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Post by BeeBoy » Thu Oct 09, 2008 3:18 am

tbadiuk wrote:Wow, that looks great!!

For the chains, couldn't you just get a *really* fine needle and poke holes through the paper?

Ted
I tried a needle somewhere else - I think in between the teeth on Cave-drake.  It worked okay but not great.  The problem was that in some cases the hole was too small so I had to punch lots of holes close together which made the finished hole look ragged instead of smooth, and in all cases the paper of the card stayed attached, just pushed out of the way, and I couldn't find a great way to remove it (tweezers did an okay job).

Still, a needle may be the best answer, and I may just need more patience to do it well.

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Post by BeeBoy » Wed Oct 15, 2008 3:16 pm

This week's card is Adamant Helmet:

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn23 ... lmet01.jpg
http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn23 ... lmet02.jpg

Alatar was one of my favorite early cards that I did, partly because I really liked how the ropes in the background looked.  I did Adamant Helmet entirely because of the ropes, and didn't do much detail on the actual guy.

At one point I thought it would be fun to make an entire deck of 3D cards.  Then I realized that at my current rate that would take over a year, and would result in a pretty wretched deck (Adamant Helmet, for instance...).

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Post by BeeBoy » Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:40 pm

This week's card is Tower Guard of Minas Tirith:

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn23 ... rith01.jpg
http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn23 ... rith02.jpg

This Saturday is the Argentinian National Championship.  Marcos asked me for a card for prize support, and  since Argentina is (or used to be) the home of the Council of Minas Tirith, I decided to make 2 related cards to send.  I'll show the other one next week.
I finished and sent the cards a couple of weeks ago, but I have no idea how long post to Argentina takes.  Hopefully they'll arrive in time; I already botched my shipping roll for Worlds.  :oops:

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Post by melkor_morgoth75 » Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:08 pm

I need to have one of my preferred ones mate someday ...  8)

mm75

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Post by Marcos » Thu Oct 23, 2008 6:02 pm

BeeBoy wrote:This week's card is Tower Guard of Minas Tirith:

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn23 ... rith01.jpg
http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn23 ... rith02.jpg

This Saturday is the Argentinian National Championship.  Marcos asked me for a card for prize support, and  since Argentina is (or used to be) the home of the Council of Minas Tirith, I decided to make 2 related cards to send.  I'll show the other one next week.
I finished and sent the cards a couple of weeks ago, but I have no idea how long post to Argentina takes.  Hopefully they'll arrive in time; I already botched my shipping roll for Worlds.  :oops:
unfortunately i didnt received your cards nor the sheets of dream card that Vastor sent me for nats as well...

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Post by BeeBoy » Wed Oct 29, 2008 1:39 pm

The other one I sent to Argentina is this week's card: Palantir of Minas Tirith.

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn23 ... rith01.jpg
http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn23 ... rith02.jpg

:( I hope the cards arrive soon, I'm starting to worry they might be gone forever.

Doing the clouds in the background was cool, because it's actually just one layer slit a bunch of times and angled, but it looks like lots of layers.  I wish I'd done the leaves & branches in Rhosgobel & Quickbeam like this, but I hadn't thought of it at that point.  Also, I haven't figured out any techniques for making round things have any kind of 3-d roundness.  The same thing bugged me when I did Saruman.

tbadiuk
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Post by tbadiuk » Sun Nov 02, 2008 2:27 am

Wow, that  Palantir card turned out espeically nice!  

At this rate you should have a whole set of 3D METW cards in no time!  :D

Ted

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